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I interpret the "Vig" as the collective term for:

1) bid-ask spread (difference in prices between buying & selling) due to market makers
2) transaction fees (for limit & market orders) charged by the exchange
3) slippage (an instrument is more expensive the deeper in the order book you go) due to how liquid an asset is.

Possible solutions for each?
1) Can be fought with the exclusive use of limit orders instead of market orders.
"Be patient and you will have the edge", The Chair in, Practical Speculation — The fine art of bargaining for an edge
2) I noticed (at least in crypto markets) that the more volume you trade, the less fees you pay (on a percentage basis)
3) Restrict yourself to deep and very liquid markets.

Also, one technique is to trade as less often as you can (buy & hold). That way you will automatically pay less of all the three sources of Vig. I think this is so important as I often found many "edges", then accounted for the vig and they often became loosing strategies.

Big Al writes:

I would also add "opportunity cost" as part of the "Meta Vig" (MV), i.e., the total costs associated with trying to trade the markets. The MV would also include the negative effects of cortisol on the human body.

Henry Gifford suggests:

I think two good steps are to ask others what the big is, and to try to calculate it yourself. Both exercises will no doubt be educational. A few times over the years I have asked horse bettors what the big is, but none seemed to know. As for calculating yourself, one hopefully will learn how much it varies by, and maybe also gain insight into hidden vig.

Steve Ellison responds:

There is no free lunch with limit orders because of adverse selection. Sooner or later, you will place a limit order on a security that simply moves up and never looks back. It would have been your best trade ever, had you actually been filled. In the opposite scenario, for example when I bought Coca-Cola in 1998, and it was already down 25 percent by the T + 3 settlement date, you will of course be filled.

Studies of retail investing accounts have shown a negative correlation between number of transactions and investment returns. In one study, accounts that had been inactive for 18 months because their owners had died, and their estates had not been settled, outperformed the vast majority of their retail account peers.

Peter Ringel writes:

Generally, the lower you go ( smaller time frame - smaller scope of the trade ) the larger the relative Vig costs. a subclass of opportunity costs is spent time of (daily) preparation. my required prep is nearly the same over many time-frames - but the scope of a trade is way lower for lower time-frames. in cash equities, the resale of your order-flow by your broker to some HF shop can be counted as Vig too. is this a common practice in option markets too? Yes, the Vig greases the fin-industry, but it is mostly unavoidable paying / avoiding the Vig does not lead to success or failure in mkts IMHO.

Vic simplifies:

just trade once a quarterfrom long side

Zubin Al Genubi comments:

The biggest vig is capital gain taxes. The richest people in the world hold their single company stock 10000x and realize no gain. Its very hard to beat a long term hold.


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  1. Andre Wallin on August 1, 2025 12:21 pm

    like “trade once a quarter from long side”

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