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Looking back at 2008

April 14, 2025 |

A Few Observations, from Victor Niederhoffer
October 12, 2008

1. Of the 100 biggest markets around the world, almost all are down 40- 60% in dollar terms with the exceptions' being Tunisia and Botswana. The impact of the decline this week, unless rapidly reversed, is going to be very severe on purchases. The previous 20% caused great angst; imagine what this decline will do to those who rely on retirements. The positive feedback of the decline in a negative direction also impacts the election results with every market decline making it more likely the Republicans will be blamed for the situation.

2. The worst aspect of the decline this week from a health point of view was that fixed income around the world cratered, thereby reducing world wealth by a good 15% as opposed to the normal situation where the equities go down 10% and the fixed incomes go up 8% leaving total wealth down only a little. And the people that talked about how bearish it was for stocks because commodities were up would never say that it's bullish now because commodities are down 40% over the past four months.

3. A new word should enter the market vocabulary, a waterboarding decline, being a decline that seems to have a breath of life at the open before going into a death spiral.

4. Because of the decline in all sectors, the wealth/price ratio has stayed relatively constant with corn, copper, soybeans, wheat and oil down 40- 50% since June 30, thereby keeping the number of bushels and barrels we can buy with one DJIA relatively constant, making the number of ounces of gold you can buy with the Dow less than 10 for the first time in a googol, and looking like a bargain for the Dow.

Cagdas Tuna writes:

The plan was to make US assets cheap and make everyone afraid to invest in them(thanks to VIX spike Monday). We all make joke of him but Trump’s post few hours before 90 days pause was the peak. Look at inflation numbers it is officially coming down as most companies were planning this sh*t beforehand. The more we see bad news the bullish stocks are.

David Lillienfeld responds:

You're making the assumption that we're done. I don't know that we are.

Nils Poertner comments:

in any case - def good to watch out for anomalies, or things that shouldn't happen and then they happen - and then there is more of it normally.


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  1. Dean Thomas Parisian on May 2, 2025 12:05 pm

    What DOGE has uncovered is similiar to 2008. The lies, deceit, corruption, fraud is easy to see, easier to decipher. No one is being prosecuted. Just like 2008. The level of crime is so off-the-charts and no major media outlet is leading the charge to tell the story.

    It is truly staggering and unbelievable.

    The NGO’s have been havens for theft. Not just a million here or there. Tens of millions. Hundreds of millions. Have you seen anyone in orange jail attire? Anybody in handcuffs? No, not a chance. There are too many guilty. It appears far too many are in on it. Too many to prosecute. Too many in high places.

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