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Anyone else sick of the idea that gamblers are best at financial markets? Why aren't the champion players the richest in the world? Would you hire a gambler to manage your life savings? Don't gamblers (Livermore, etc) die broke?

Why This Wall Street Firm Wants Its Traders to Play Poker

Young traders who join the trading giant Susquehanna International spend at least 100 hours playing cards during a 10-week training program. When the stock market closes at 4 p.m., they often head straight from the trading floor to a dedicated poker room at the firm’s headquarters in the Philadelphia suburbs.

Jeff Yass, Susquehanna’s co-founder, sometimes joins in, scrutinizing hands new hires play and gauging how effectively they bluff. Thousands of employees, from traders to technologists, participate in the firm’s annual poker tournament. At least three have notched wins at the World Series of Poker in Las Vegas.

Big Al offers:

Trading Is a Lot Like Poker

Peter Ringel writes:

I agree to all the points from the trading side. I know the basics of poker, but not a skilled player. Not even a novice. It makes sense to use the filter "skilled poker player" for manager selection. But how to become a skilled player ? Is it easier to become skilled in poker vs a skilled trader? I suspect it is a similar hard battle.

Asindu Drileba comments:

The problem with "skill level" is that they kind of translate differently. Warren Buffet for example is a Bridge addict. (Bridge is also a game of chance like poker) He (Buffet) is definitely an "above average skill player", but nit amongst the top 20 in the world. In investing however, Buffet may be regarded as part of the top 5.

The same goes for other financiers. Sam Altman (top VC in Silicon Valley), Jason Calcanis (Top VC in Silicon Valley), Charlie Munger were probably above average poker players but their edges were stronger in the finance & investing world — but all these attribute poker to their success.

Big Al writes:

1. Poker is very different from other casino games. There is a lot of skill involved, a lot of math (at the higher levels), a deep understanding of game theory (at the very high levels), and there are many more decisions to be made in poker compared to, say, roulette. Most poker pros probably wouldn't call poker "gambling", though some are degen gamblers when they walk away from the poker table.

2. Poker is a lot like the other casino games in that, for most people, the best decision is not to play. Like in markets, where the best decision for most is not to trade but just buy a diversified portfolio and hold it for a long time.

3. But firms like Susquehanna are not advising "most people" and they're not buying and holding SPY. For them, poker is a good way to assess and develop various skills that are relevant to hacking the market and making big bets. Poker is a great laboratory for testing "risk tolerance".

4. The poker "ecosystem" is a lot like the trading market in that there is a need to keep getting new suckers to enter at the bottom level and convince them they can win.


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