Jul

24

‘Greatest Bubble’ Nearing Its Peak, Says Black Swan Manager

Universa’s Mark Spitznagel, who has made billions from past crashes, sees last hurrah for stocks before severe reckoning

Humbert H. asks:

His job is to make money on black swans, not to predict black swans. What kind of black swan is it if it can be predicted?

Asindu Drileba writes:

Black Swans are relative. If you have tail risk protection it means you are aware of tail risk. If you don't have tail risk protection, the notion of a "surprise" when it happens means you encounter a black swan. So Mark may be speaking form the perspective of those that actually don't think they will encounter a black swan.

Humbert H. responds:

Is there anyone who invests in the magnificent seven and NVDA in particular who isn't aware of their elevated valuations, possible bubble formation, and the risk of a major decline? There's some level of obviousness to warning people of this possibility. It's like he is suddenly preaching "past performance is no guarantee of future results" or "correlation does not equal causation". Is he doing this to help humanity? Someone will make more money and someone will make less money if they act on his warning, and there will be bagholders either way, so humanity will not benefit as a whole.

Asindu Drileba adds:

I think for his case, he is just marketing his fund.

Zubin Al Genubi observes:

Cheap Deep OTM puts are up 45% on a 3% decline showing exponential gearing in place from ATH as a directional trade or as a hedge. Surprisingly unidirectional.

Asindu Drileba expands:

His philosophy is more like that of "insurance" for stocks. I think Uncle Roy also has the same philosophy. I remember his describing portfolio protection akin to having fire insurance for your house. To benefit from fire insurance on your house, you don't need to predict when it will burn down. Just make sure you always have coverage for it. So most of the time, percentage wise, your predictions of having a fire are going to be wrong. He mostly advocates that everyone should have "fire insurance" for your portfolio.

To learn more about Mark's strategy:
1) A section called "The Forest In the Pine Cone" inside his book The Dao of Capital
2) His solution to the "narrow framing" problem
3) How he sizes his positions

Nils Poertner comments:

good to be open minded. that said: the more stories (like this one) we can read in mass financial media (FT, WSJ, etc) - the less likely this is going to play out anytime soon. "get the joke"

Humbert H. writes:

I don't think it makes any difference unless "everybody" has the opposite view of the future from what the market is doing. Every single day multiple people prognosticate both doom and gloom and full steam ahead. Since the motivation for this warning is clearly suspect this is white noise. But if his prediction comes true soon which it obviously has a reasonable chance of doing he'll be venerated for decades as the great prophet. This guy is clearly a disciple of Taleb, and they even collaborated in the past. Victor's take would be interesting.


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