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Poker and Markets, Part II
By Scott Haley
6/10/2004
A few lessons from poker and my attempt to relate them to speculation. I admittedly know little about poker and less about the markets, but perhaps a few of you will find some use of these.
06/09/2004
Comment from
Adam:
Scott, I want to suggest to you that it really takes a
much much
stronger hand to call with than to bet (or raise) with. Consequently,
calling in hold-em poker is very rarely the right move to make.
06/10/2004
Comment from Ari Siegel:
Showing one's cards can be a powerful tool to
manipulate the opponent's ego.
However, as with all psychological manipulation, it can backfire. Also, others
at the table (and observers) see your hand, so you must factor in their
reactions. I have experimented with showing cards in the past, and have come to
the conclusion that it is not profitable for me. However, one man's hole in the
bucket is another man's water source. I am sure there are many who use this
technique masterfully. Important in poker is to understand what works for YOU,
and not try to do everything perfectly. Again, in the end, I believe it's a lot
about bankroll management (that doesn't apply to tournaments of course).
Ari Siegel is a Yale student and professional
poker player. He is currently a summer intern at Vic's firm.
6/10/2004
Comment by Ross Miller:
There appears to be general (well, two person) agreement
that one should never unnecessarily show ones card in
hold'em. Given that I've already defended mr e (not that he
needs it) and the I Ching today, though I generally agree
with this, I will present the merits of the other side.
First, there's getting caught bluffing as a form of
"advertisement," but this may not count as unnecessary.
Then, there's the intentionally pissing off your opponent
and acting like an idiot strategy. Flagrantly showing that
you bluffed someone out of a large pot can have a devasting
psychological effect (and physical effect, on you, if you
pick the wrong person to try this against). There's almost
nothing better than an opponent who's out to prove that he's
better than you or trying to exact revenge at any cost. Such
methods are not unheard of in racket/racquet sports and are
the bread and butter of the financial world.
Ross Miller is an economist, among other things. Read installments of his
novel, "Rigged," on his Web site,
www.millerrisk.com.